Interview With Dirk Stevens of Wondergraphs

Dirk Stevens of Wondergraphs

This post is part of an ongoing series of interviews with successful entrepreneurs who have bootstrapped their companies to profitability. Read the other entries in our Inspiring Interviews series.

Wondergraphs is a beautiful, simple-to-use reporting and analysis service that has recently started to take off. Dirk Stevens is responsible for product design and business development for Wondergraphs. They are bootstrapped and successful; a great story. Here’s my interview with Dirk.

Me: Tell me about Wondergraphs and what you do.

Dirk Stevens: Wondergraphs is a Software-as-a-Service platform for business analytics and reporting. We want to help businesses get value from their data in spreadsheets and databases and help them to share reports with stakeholders in a simple, easy to use and efficient manner.

My role in Wondergraphs is focused on product design and business development. I am an all-round guy with a passion for technology and business so you could say this is my dream job. My colleagues Kim and Ruben are technology wizards and build our magic – from product to infrastructure it’s amazing what these guys pull off. In addition they do the day-to-day interaction with customers on everything related to technology.

Me: How has bootstrapping played a role in the growth and development of Wondergraphs?

DS: Bootstrapping has primarily meant working with a limited budget. I don’t think we would have done things differently if we’d have had an investor on board; we’d for sure would have moved a lot faster.

Bootstrapping keeps us focused on cash, keeps us lean and keeps us on the customer development path in a natural manner.  Those are the fundamentals for a sound business. But bootstrapping can be miserable too. When you know you could move faster if you had just a little more cash or when the team is so small that you have to do things you are not that good at or don’t like doing. In a funded company the roles in the team are more specialist and focused and probably more efficient.

It’s said that with outside financing entrepreneurs are less hungry. I am not too sure about that and I am not sure if that’s so relevant. A good entrepreneur certainly wont be less hungry! And with more people and money on board from the start, it could be that some people have a lessened sense of urgency, but from a pure business progress perspective 10 people giving it “just 90% is still twice as fast than 3 people giving it 150%…

Now that we’re through the tough parts of building the business and we’re at the point of scale, I am happy about the great things we learned and achieved. I recently met with a fellow entrepreneur who has been funded with several $million and he is jealous of our independence, while we are jealous of his resources.

Me: What marketing advice do you have for other startups on a bootstrapper’s budget?

DS: Ooh…I believe marketing is something we could have done better so here’s some thoughts on principles that I believe set the tone for how we market and sell.

Build a beautiful product that eases a real pain of real customers. We’re down to earth guys who believe in classic economics: offer clear value and charge fair money for it.

Be real and love what you do. If you take pride in building your business and making a difference in your market then people feel that and like to be associated with you and tell their friends and colleagues.

Take things step by step. Our first marketing campaign was sending a video of our beta version to a few potential customers.  We didn’t want to bite more than we could chew. We have a complex product and in the beginning our technology was too immature to handle many customers at once. Our TechCrunch article last week was our first large scale marketing and was planned a long time ago because we wanted to make sure that we’d be able to support many customers.

I’d ask all fellow entrepreneurs to please keep your marketing environment friendly and limit the useless plastic marketing crap. We can do without all that polluting crap we receive in the mail or when visiting a conference. (How many bottle openers, bags, mini-mouses and whatnots do we need?!)

Me: What advice do you have for new entrepreneurs when it comes to choosing between bootstrapping and seeking outside funding?

DS: Rather than spending time on courting people with money by running spreadsheets and predictions of the future, I believe you should build your minimum viable product and start selling as soon as possible so you get money from customers and learn from your customers. Your customers are really your investors – they’re as vested in your success as you, they give you money, quality time and feedback, and they certainly don’t want to run your company!

Maybe along the way, you’ll find an investor who shares your passion for your product or market and can afford to fund you based on your dreams (because you probably have little facts to prove it’s more than dreams) and that would be great, but don’t count on it.

Software development freelance work is in general easy to find and well paid, so we started Wondergraphs with a few months consulting projects to get some cash in.  That cash gave us about a one-year runway.

Me: What financial advice do you have for other bootstrappers out there?

DS: I have got a question on scaling growth that maybe on other bootstrappers’ minds also? At what point would you consider attracting outside funding and what form would you prefer? Or would you rather fuel your growth by giving out more stock options to hire talent? Have you ever thought of asking partners for some form of investment?

Your Turn

How would you respond to Dirk’s questions? I’ll post my own response in the comments.

Please take a few minutes to look at the Wondergraphs blog and follow Dirk on  Twitter. Thanks again to Dirk for the great interview.

Inspiring Interviews: Chris Garrett

Chris Garrett

This post is part of an ongoing series of interviews with successful entrepreneurs who have bootstrapped their companies to profitability. Read the other entries in our Inspiring Interviews series.

Chris Garrett is a successful social media consultant and blogger who is an ardent supporter of bootstrapping. I had been reading his blog for a while when I found an article from him about bootstrapping over at another blog. That’s when I put two and two together and decided that I had to interview Chris. Here’s my interview with Chris Garrett.

Jim Lastinger: Tell me a little bit about your company and what you do.
Chris Garrett: I guess you could describe me as an internet marketing consultant but really I teach people how to profit from their ideas, knowledge and experience by growing an audience of people who know, like and trust them – it’s about getting people to be attracted to you and trust you enough to take up your solution or advice.

JL: How has bootstrapping shaped your company?
CG: The biggest impact was when I left my job to start the company – I said I would never go into debt to fund it so I waited until I had a good enough contract lined up that would fund everything else. Now the smart thing to have done would have been to have money in the bank set aside for if anything went wrong, but I was lucky enough that before the worst happened I had everything in shape!

People have called me stupid, that I could have grown exponentially faster and bigger, but you have to understand A) I have been burned in several startups and B) My business is more about having freedom and lifestyle rather than being big or breaking any profit records

JL: Would you accept any venture capital now if you needed it?
CG: If the right project came up I would consider it, but I have seen the damage that can be done to a business by just taking what is on offer without thinking everything through – people don’t just hand you a bag of cash, there is always a deeper impact from control through to what the business becomes.

JL: How do you manage creating new businesses/products in a bootstrapped company (financing, workload, etc.)?
CG: First I keep overhead low, and the overhead I do take on is on a project basis and therefore funded out of that project. I do a lot of partnering. I build income generating assets to cover any payments that need to be made.

JL: What advice do you have for new entrepreneurs when it comes to choosing between bootstrapping and seeking outside funding?
CG: Look at the goals of your project, the lifestyle you want to have, how rapidly you need to grow, and what it will take to grow. Do you NEED the stuff you think you need? OK, you might need to invest in sales, stock, location, staff, but do you need outside investment to acquire and maintain these costs? Sometimes you do, sometimes you don’t. Don’t just do something because that is “how it’s done”.

To give you an example, I used to work for an agency that had as many account managers as designers, most of whom were not fully occupied, meaning those designers had to do additional billable hours or increase the rates to cover those people. A good account manager can earn their keep by getting additional work out of clients and keeping them happy, but of course not all of them were good account managers. A lot of the times those people meant well but just slowed down communication and were a net cost to the company.

JL: Any financial advice for bootstrappers?
CG: I think the simplest way of putting it is to look at outside cash as a cost to the company. Somehow that money has to be repaid, and sometimes the conditions are not worth it. Look at all the options before putting your hand in the cookie jar!

Please take a few minutes to look at Chris’s blog, follow him on Twitter, and check him out on Facebook. Thanks again to Chris for spending a little time with me.

Inspiring Interviews: Spencer Fry of Carbonmade

This is the first in an ongoing series of interviews that I plan to do with successful bootstrappers. I hope to bring a variety of viewpoints on the art of starting and running a business from a bootstrapping perspective.

Spencer Fry

I’m excited to have the first interview for my new series ready to go. My hope is to introduce you to some people that you may not necessarily be familiar with who have been successfully bootstrapping their companies. The first interview is with Spencer Fry. I first found Spencer through a Hacker News link and I’ve read just about everything on his blog since then. He’s the perfect guy to help me kick this thing off.

Without further delay, here is my interview with Spencer Fry of Carbonmade.

Jim Lastinger: Tell me a little bit about Carbonmade and what you do.
Spencer Fry: Happy to. Carbonmade is an online portfolio for creative people to show off their work. It’s for anyone who makes anything. Our team is mostly located in New York City with a few folks outside the city (Chicago, Las Vegas, and Canada). My role at Carbonmade is the “Everything Else” guy. I handle everything else that isn’t design or code. I wrote two pieces on my website that shed more light on what I do.

JL:  How has bootstrapping impacted Carbonmade and your prior companies?
SF: Bootstrapping has been a big part of my life. I’m well-known in New York City circles as the “bootstrapping guy.” CarbonmadeI never had access to capital or any interest in raising it to start a company. To me it always made sense to try and make revenue from the launch of your business rather than waiting for massive user growth before turning on the faucet. I’m not opposed to raising money, but to me it’s less interesting at the start of your business and more interesting when you’re looking to raise money to propel growth forward.

JL: Would you accept any venture capital now if you needed it?
SF: We’re thankfully in a positon where we don’t need to raise venture capital. It’s difficult to know what I’d do if we needed money to survive, which is actually a terrible position to be when raising money. You’re unlikely to get a good deal or a deal at all. Honestly, I probably wouldn’t start a company where I had to put myself in the position of having to raise money.

JL: What advice do you have for new entrepreneurs when it comes to choosing between bootstrapping and seeking outside funding?
SF: The lives of a bootstrapping entrepreneur and an entrepreneur who has raised money are far different. It’s great having access to a large bank account and being able to spend freely on hiring who you want, etc., but it can also lead to your downfall. I think you need to look at what type of company you’re trying to build. Some companies by definition need capital to be built: Twitter and Facebook are great examples. Companies such as Carbonmade, Harvest, and HypeMachine less so.

JL: Any financial advice for bootstrappers?
SF: Cash flow is the most important thing you can spend your time understanding. You need to make sure you stay on top of things. You can certainly put yourself in a terrible position by over spending.

That’s it! Thanks to Spencer for spending a little time with me. Please take a look at his sites if you haven’t already and follow him on Twitter.